The conservative movement was pleasantly surprised last week when Allie Beth Stuckey, a podcast host with The Blaze, published a debate on her show with political commentator David French on her show.

While he still claims to be a conservative, French has increasingly become a pariah on the right, earning a reputation for denouncing perceived problems within evangelicalism even as he overlooks or excuses the far greater issues that define the progressive left.

Stuckey and French largely centered their discussion on the former’s critique of “toxic empathy,” the type of feeling for others that becomes untethered from truth and reality. French claimed that conservative circles have developed a serious lack of empathy in recent years, and Stuckey said that conservatives are merely rejecting “toxic empathy.”

In one of his two NYT articles critiquing my book “Toxic Empathy,” David French claims that I argue against feeling badly for dying children.

I push back against that complete mischaracterization.

In response, French asserts: “I have seen you online, when people talk about the…pic.twitter.com/LrJdqXQsBv

— Allie Beth Stuckey (@conservmillen)April 18, 2026

The debate ventured into the realm of abortion, with French saying that he was worried about the rise of the abortionabolitionmovement and the drive to “potentially imprison mothers.”

French frowned upon the idea of “punitive criminal laws” aimed at women who willfully murder their preborn babies, claiming that such tactics are not only “political folly” and show a “profound lack of empathy,” but would mark “moral folly.” He even said there is an “apples and oranges” difference between homicide statutes and penalties for abortion, despite claiming to believe that life starts at conception.

🚨 BREAKING:@DavidAFrenchsaid he is “worried” about abortion abolitionists and their “profound lack of empathy.”@DavidAFrenchdescribed prosecuting abortion as murder for all parties willfully involved as “moral folly” and said comparing abortion law to homicide law is…pic.twitter.com/Vcz84TLm3s

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