In the newest PBD Podcast (#842), Ben Shapiro sat down with Patrick Bet-David for a long discussion on the fractured right, Tucker Carlson, JD Vance, Israel, and especially the “Groyper problem” along with Nick Fuentes.
They spent a solid chunk of the interview on Groypers, Fuentes’ role, and whether Ben would ever debate or sit down with him. Ben’s answers were full of contradictions, downplaying, and classic deflection.
In this critical breakdown I cover:
- Ben admitting the Groyper problem is real… then comparing them to the DSA while trying to minimize their influence
- The “villain origin story” and how Ben downplays the history with Nick
- Cult of personality comments and Ben claiming Nick is chasing personal loyalty tests while he “doesn’t care” what people think of him
- Ben’s claim that Nick won't play a role in 2028, then pivoting to “Tucker is afraid Nick will drink his milkshake”
- The big question: Would Ben ever sit down with Nick? Ben’s “neither is likely” answer, the “Nazi Dave Chappelle” line, the “own Ben Shapiro moment” fear, the hesitation when PBD pressed him, and the shift from “no” toward a highly conditional “maybe”
- PBD defending the idea of a good-faith conversation and Ben’s hard pivot when Stephen Crowder was brought up as a comparison
- The Piers Morgan interview reference and why it doesn’t support Ben’s point
- Ben’s repeated pressure on JD Vance and Tucker to disavow more consistently — while avoiding the fact that Nick has already made JD look bad in public for it
This is a critical look at the interview, not a neutral recap.
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