KATYAL: “Yeah, that’s exactly right. I think what the justices were saying is that the Constitution sets out certain parameters, and if the president thinks he has some really good reason to evade them, he can’t do it because our founders said, nope. Like, if you really want tariffs, there’s a simple thing to do go to Congress and get authorization for them. That’s what the president tried in his first term in office. It failed. It doesn’t mean you can just go around it and blow it off. And I think, you know, it was telling that President Trump’s appointee, Neil Gorsuch, at the end of his opinion, has this beautiful language about how the Constitution is what matters. And the Constitution requires that separation of powers. And yes, he says, sometimes it takes time to get legislation through, but that is the American way. And so I read this decision less about tariffs, more about the constitutional system. Our founders vision, which held today and it held today not because of the self-restraint of the president, but because a group of small businesses took the risk and said to themselves, boy, you know, this is so illegal. I got to stand up and challenge it. And I had the privilege of representing them and speaking for them in the Supreme Court, these small businesses against the nation’s most powerful man, the world’s most powerful man, the president. And I wasn’t speaking in some rinky dink traffic court. I was speaking in the highest court of the land. And today the Supreme Court said we won. That, to me, is what the country is about. It’s not about me winning or small businesses winning. It’s about the Constitution winning. Sometimes presidents are going to win those cases, sometimes they’re going to lose. But the genius of our founders of Madison and Hamilton and others who set it up, is this idea that it’s going to be debated, reasoned, argued. And boy, I mean, the justices gave me an incredibly hard time in our argument on November 5th. But in the end, they reached a”

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